That was its strong suit.. Grumman produced the AA5B Tiger from 1975 through 1979, and then American General produced the AG5B Tiger from 1991 through 1993. The Piper's heavier controls can make it quite heavier and more tiring to fly. The Citabria is a derivative of the Aeronca Champ and was first produced in 1964 by Champion Aircraft Corporation. Fold down back seats make an awesome cargo hauler with over 6-1/2 feet of room. Helen is an expert in all things aviation! Through various ownership changes, such as Bellanca and now American Champion Aircraft Corporation, the simple, well-liked design has continued on with additional variations being produced such as the Decathlon and Scout. Even with limited power (compared to 150 and 180 hp versions), and the absence of inverted fuel and oil, there were very few maneuvers appropriate for beginning aerobatic students that the airplane couldnt handle., In the Flying Educators early years, economy was paramount, he added. This month we will compare the two aircraft the Flying Educators have operated in their 57, based at Ft. Lauderdale Executive Airport (KFXE), . The Cessna 172 has a larger engine, and so is correspondingly more powerful, and it has a higher cruise speed. Tiger owner here. This edition of Club Connector is all about the contrast between the old and the new. Its a fixed gear, fixed-pitch prop so theres just not a whole lot that can go wrong with the airplane, Greg noted. While the difference between the two is by no means huge, the 152 is the more economical option. ). Never seen you, are on the north side of the field? Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by BellyUpFish, Aug 29, 2011. Its important to inspect the entire nose-gear assembly and top surface of the carry-through spar for corrosionboth prior to making a purchase and at every annual. You should know that, despite the above, there are possibly more similarities than differences between the Cessna 172 and the Cessna 150. include the 150-hp AA5 Traveler and AA5A Cheetah, and the 160-hp GA7 Cougar. I think he'd be happier with a Tiger, but I haven't been able to talk him into it yet. Youre going to get more airspeed out of a Tiger than youre going to get out of most four-place aircraft in that category, Greg said. But that is what most private pilots prefer to do. Unless you want to go off airport. The cost of ownership includes the original purchase price of the airplane, then you have you fixed cost like hangar, insurance etc. $19.99 . Moving to the Grumman Tiger meant they could have a four-place aircraft better suited for cross-country travel and still have a plane that was responsive. If your club wants to offer something different yet cost effective, a Citabria can help attract members who want to earn a tailwheel endorsement or do some aerobatic flying. I don't think 150 nm is enough distance to justify flying. Its nimble in the air, seats four, and has a good cruising speed with minimal fuel burn. Also See: Cessna 150 vs 172; Cessna 180 vs 185 The club did not have a named insured policy and the requirements were pretty standard. Additionally, the castering nosewheel is a simpler and lighter design than those used in most Cessnas and Pipers. Depending on how much exposure it has to the sun, it will need to be replaced generally about every 25 to 30 years. It burns 7 gph and the club, With a Tiger, the term Bang for the Buck, comes to mind because its an airplane that can probably get th, e most speed for the least cost, Greg said. If you have not yet registered, you can. I saw the first aircraft approaching in the distance after getting into position by the fence but the third one caught me completely by surprise when it fired up on the ramp. The main parts supplier for Grumman aircraft is an outfit called Fletch Air, and I think theyre based in Houston, he said. If you currently have an account on Pilots Place, your Between 4,000 feet and 10,000 feet, depending on temperature, it gets between 8.3 gph to 9.2 gph,and youre doing 135 knots easy, saysAero on DemandfounderMichaelBletsch. Indeed. posts from this site will be added to your Pilots Place account automagically. Free shipping . I have a bunch of time in the Cheetah and a friend has a Traveller with the 160hp-not 160hp STC - great little planes. Autopilot, 430W, PS Engineering audio panel, JPI 830, new paint and interior. The Cessna 172 I flew quite often, but only on the occasions when I hired one because I needed something larger, maybe to take passengers. Accordingly, a good, reliable engine-monitoring system is a wise investment, and with the proper adapter, savvy buyers can download engine-monitor data to observe how a seller has been treating the engine. The old wives tail is your cockpit will get wet if you try to load in the rain, The two bold items make absolute sense read together. The most affordable single-engine planes. The plane was always in a hangar probably a major factor.. The Tiger was the outcome of the same redesign work on the AA-5 Traveler that resulted in the 150 hp (110 kW) Cheetah and it was originally little more than the same aircraft with a Lycoming O-360-A4K 180 hp (130 kW) engine, resulting in a 139-knot (257 km/h) cruise speed. The manufacturing history of the AA-5 series is a colorful one. send a link to set up your password on the Pilots Place site, and when you Did your friend get that on a field approval? The 172 is basically the big sister to the 152-it's a nearly identical airframe, just larger in every dimension to hold four people. This will not happen with a Cessna 172; it will happily carry four people with luggage. It all comes down to what your mission is. Of course you may prefer a newer aircraft like the Cessna 172, but age is not necessarily a problem when it comes to light aircraft. Enter your email and click on the I am a The Cessna 172 is a lot more powerful than the Cessna 150. Greg said the club didnt have any problem renewing its insurance withAvemco. Discussion in 'Hangar Talk' started by WVTexan, Nov 21, 2013. I hang my head in shame. Compared with those from other manufacturers, the Grumman design replaces many of the cables and pulleys with torque tubes. If so did he sell it after 2 or 3 years and get into a twin? A number of Cheetahs can be found equipped with the 180 hp O-360, which is available as an STC. It also makes a nice IFR-platform if it is properly equipped. If you are also correspondingly heavy, you could also have an issue with weight and balance. Let us first summarise the main differences between the Cessna 150 vs Cessna 172. Externally the Tiger looked much like the AA-5 Traveler and AA-5A Cheetah so once again Grumman's marketing department came up with a distinctive decal package to differentiate the design this time a "galloping tiger". When we're not in the air, we're here helping others how to join us here at Aviator Insider. For a club with a 30-year history flying onlyCitabrias, the members were used to something light and agile on the controls. Your login, avatars, posts and archives have all be relocated there. Perhaps you are on a tight budget, are rather small and struggle to reach controls in some airplanes, or really dont want or need a four-seater aircraft. It holds 52 gallons and has a range of about 700 miles. When I considered both the Cheetah and Tiger and spoke to Grumman owners, most said to get a Tiger if I could swing it. Greg noted that on a namedpolicyyoull pay a premium based on your least experienced pilot. Aero on Demand, a Houston-based club, also operates a Tiger and it is equipped with an engine monitor providing very accurate data. ). Huge windows, plus the top of the glareshield is low. Before I bought my Grumman Tiger, I was in a flying club and flew a Cessna Cardinal. Insurance premiums went from over $3,000 in 2002 to over $6,000 in 2010. Krish discussed having to change some avionics, propeller, engine cowling, and after 300 hours of flying him and his partners also had to overhaul the 180hp engine, which cost a whopping $28,000. The Tiger was designed by Grumman engineers and was first produced in late 1974 as the 1975 model. Are they pretty much the same? Does he have it on Barnstormers, Trade a Plane etc. In the early 90s up to the when the Flying Educators sold the Citabria in 1995, the hourly rate was $21 wet, and the monthly club dues were $42. Indeed, unlike most comparable aircraft, there are no moving parts inside of an AA-5s wingall flap and aileron actuation is achieved via easily accessible torque tubes upon which each control surface pivots. What are the main differences between them? Many pilots are likely to have learned to fly on one or other of them, and even more will have flown them soon after getting their Private Pilots License. And that was the main consideration.. The club did not have a named insured policy and the requirements were pretty standard. This month we will compare the two aircraft the Flying Educators have operated in their 57-year history the Citabriaand theGrumman Tiger. Its the The Tiger was the outcome of the same redesign work on the AA-5 Traveler that resulted in the 150 hp (110 kW) Cheetah and it was originally little more than the same aircraft . Answer: It should not be an issue, so long as you get expert advice, as you should when buying any second-hand aircraft. Tiger owner here. The Grumman Pilots Association and Grumman Gang are additional resources, and enthusiastic support is available to the owner community in the form of online forums and video tutorials. The bonded aluminum construction eliminates the need for rivets, so even sitting on the ground it looks sleek. It s the same friendly, informative place for all things Cessna 172, now with a larger group of pilots and state-of-the-art forum software. We are a collective group of airline instructors, and pilots dedicated to all things aviation. If your club is looking for an economical aircraft that can serve as a primary trainer and a solid cross-country platformwith good performance, the Grumman Tiger is a plane you may want to consider. There should be few problems with maintenance for either of these aircraft types. Early models through the 1970s can be purchased starting around $35,000 with prices increasing to about $95,000 for a newer model produced after 2000. I believe the wing is a time life item and the end of the plane. Its very responsive. I know you can upgrade a Cheetah to 180 hp and essentially a Tiger. Wouldnt mind having it myself! But being a little more impartial, I would have to choose the Cessna 172, in particular the more recent models. The Citabria breed has an AD requiring a one-time inspection of the wooden spar where they have to check it for cracks. We have moved! group of pilots and state-of-the-art forum software. Aerodynamischer Feinschliff verbesserte die Reisegeschwindigkeit von 139 auf 143 Knoten. The four-place Grumman AA-5 family might be one of the better-kept secrets, offering the simplicity of a Cessna 172 while approaching the cruise speed of a similarly powered Mooney. At the end of the day, Greg noted that most members fly solo or with only one passenger and, for that reason, the airplane has to be fun to fly, and it is. One of the challenges is finding instructors who can teach in it whether its tailwheel or aerobatic. In 1976, the AA-5 Traveler was replaced with the AA-5A Cheetah. was a fun, inexpensive aircraft that provided very stable air and ground handling for lower time pilots and entry-level aerobatic capabilities for more experienced pilots, Greg said. There is a reason why so many people fly the Cessna 172, and why it is said to be the most popular aircraft ever produced. If you fly a Tiger for 20 or 30 hours and get into a Cessna 172, it feels like a truck., You cant go wrong with either a Citabria or a Grumman Tiger in your club. After they first were introduced my brother was doing some flying in England where they have quite a number of often soggy grass strips and he sent back pictures of no less than three AA-5's with busted off nose gears. You can pay a whole lot less for a Traveler compared to a Tiger, or get a whole lot nicer Traveler for the same money. All rights reserved. They can provide anything for the airplanewheels, wheel pants, windshields, cowlings, anything you need for a Tiger or similar Grumman aircraftthey can provide.. login you will see the new forum. As with the AA-5A, the AA-5B was continued in production by Gulfstream when they purchased Grumman's American division. Discussion in 'Hangar Talk' started by SixPapaCharlie, Dec 14, 2015. Tiger Come join us! Load carrying capability. Tigers are very reasonable now. $37.09 + $15.58 shipping . up. Major overhauls were cheap. Combined with a panoramic canopy, nimble handling, relatively modest prices and thriving owners groups, the resulting blend of strengths makes these Grummans intriguing options for new and experienced owners alike. Guy has over 100K in it and he is selling for 57K. The sliding, glass-rich canopy can be flown partially open in flight, adding to the pilots unique experience in this series. In 1971, when American Aviation became Grumman American, the company identified a need for a four-seat aircraft. Similar four-seatGrummansinclude the 150-hp AA5 Traveler and AA5A Cheetah, and the 160-hp GA7 Cougar. One maintainer reports that the majority of incidents he sees are a result of runway overruns that began with excessive speed on final approach. , the members were used to something light and agile on the controls. All spars are life-limited to 12,000 to 12,500 hours, underscoring the importance of having a detailed logbook history. With a, fixed-pitch prop and fixed gear, its simple to operate. The system will If you fly a Tiger for 20 or 30 hours and get into a Cessna 172, it feels like a truck., The Tiger has pushrods instead of cables making the controls very responsive. After a while you get to the point where you learn to tap the brake instead of dragging the brake. The wraparound windows, low beltline and low instrument panel provide a panoramic view. This. 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