@drasvi: Ouch! A de facto group of distinct language varieties within the Semitic branch, the languages that evolved from Proto-Arabic have around 313 million native speakers, concentrated primarily in the Middle East and North Africa. I can form it in Russian but I dont know what it means:). ), (the first 4 lines are by DE but I cant edit the comment and mark them as a quote at the moment:(). Hmm. The Standard of Ur was captioned IM IN UR. Perusing Wrights grammar, I was surprised to discover that the Windhill Yorkshirese is a guttural language. , . . Even personal pronouns can be borrowed, but nobody is likely to be impressed if you claim that a language has only borrowed its pronouns and not any other basic vocabulary. eighth century) writing systems (the Hebrew language began to be written with the Aramaic script during the sixth century BC, although the Samaritan sect continued to use the old Hebrew letters, and continues its liturgical use to the present day). If there actually were a substantial number of regular lexical correspondences, everyone, no matter how hyper-rigorous, would be happily going along with Blenchs notion that Mande was just a very early branch of the tree. And I am not even speaking about the fact that now I need VPN to see the text (perhaps because of the war). Thats a fault known as Word Not In, or WNI: the use of a word in a definition that does not appear in the dictionary. I do hope it would give the actual division into Scandinavian vs. English-plus-German, but I have no idea how it would actually work out. American Heritage Dictionary Indo-European Roots Appendix Im not sure that when the authors used the word diluted, they were arguing in favor of what Im talking against. First, it may help some to know that DM is quoting the Blench article, not a post somewhere above. Turns out it is, just not the way youd think. Psychological processing principles like perceptual saliency coupled with regularity and transparency of form-meaning mappings account for the fact that, for example, Turkish-speaking children gain command of the bulk of their rich system of agglutinating, inflectional suffixes by a much earlier age than children acquiring languages with more synthetic or syncretic morphologies like Hebrew or Icelandic. Ruhlen-level stuff. Edited by J. Byron and T. Byron, p. 476. Maurice Delafosse (1914) later coined the term Afroasiatic (often now spelled Afro-Asiatic). Go give your heart, and if it break (in English) Mande syntax is both weird and strikingly well maintained in its weirdness throughout most of a pretty diverse family, but that has no bearing on the wider genetic relationships of the family at all. One of my main problems with AA-OOA is the question of how languages spread in pre-state societies with limited trade. Is he a Blench acolyte? Yes, I had seen that. At Urkesh (Tell Mozan), the Hurrian capital, stunning monumental remains, including a vast monumental temple plaza and terrace are coming to light. I do not know. If there were any, before their barbarian hordes raided Africa and amazed with what they saw began showing their first interest in civilisation. There is also a Danube paddlefish. I remember, after communicating with Russian Tolkien fans, I was able to recognize them on Internet forums in subsequent decades by their manner of speaking (writing), and it was by no means about individual words (usually when people study slang, they treat it as a bag of words:)). LBG (Lexikon zur byzantinischen Grzitt = Lexicon of Byzantine Greek) Vydrin admits the evidence isnt definitive, but then rails against the extremes represented by the overly rigorous approaches of splitters and the too lax approaches of lumpers. It puts me in mind of the notorious* New English Bibles habit of interpreting Hebrew hapax legomena on the basis of Arabic cognates/lookalikes. lexical evidence is the main basis. We do not have porcuines here, likely he was translating a book. For Western Oti-Volta, the idea of substrata would make a lot of sense on first principles; it seems very likely that the current geographical range of these languages is a development of the last few centuries. PIE *VsrV > PGmc *VstrV, More at mereswine. Vagina nationum, *** , sounds much less obscene to my ear. How clever of you to know that! Greenbergs method can produce a good preliminary classification. However, from the perspective of expected word-order co-occurrences, these word-order arrangements may not be independent traits, but may be viewed as the result of the diffusion of a single complex feature, the overall SOV word-order type with its various correlated orderings in interrelated constructions. Compare and contrast: has any significant research on comparative Indo-European ever come out of Latin America? (a link to the pdf with references can be found in DEs post above). (In the place of production sense, Danish also has mejeri = dairy which is probably older than bageri. perfect) in the non-r-branches. Suzanne Richard, in Encyclopedia of Archaeology, 2008. The evidence is pretty clear than the idea of Bantu-style noun class systems is more durable over time and linguistic diversity than any particular expression of the idea. While Im at it, this conference handout from 2016 (in English) compares PIE accent & ablaut categories to PU second-syllable vowels, which looks pretty neat and becomes even more convincing if you side with those that reconstruct the less open one of the only two PU second-syllable vowels as [] instead of the traditional [i] or the classical []. as if representing an virtual original Indo-Iranian *mad-sya- or the like. Individual-generic on one hand, and individual-collective(mass) on the other, where mass can be applied to fish that you eat (cow/bull beef), to fish in the river or a basket and to many kinds of fish. Most scholars, however, reject this proposal, and continue to group Beja as the sole member of a Northern branch within Cushitic. Russian Word of the Day For example, the Egyptian hieroglyphic symbol resembling waves of water and used in the Egyptian system as a monoconsonantal symbol with the value /n/was assigned the value /m/ in the Proto-Sinaitic script, as the word for water in the West Semitic language of that script began with /m/. The single substative basis for the subgrouping of langauges is the identification in them of shared innovations that are unlikely to have been borrowed from one to another. Maybe this is some Potou-Akanic-internal process that Stewart felt could be projected back to Proto-Volta-Congo (if so, again illustrating the problem with his general thesis.). Meanwhile a scenario well, for lack of an outgroup, the two phylogenetic analyses ever done of it were rooted in the middle, and they only used lexical data. I had believed that ur- as meaning ancient or prototypical was a recent coinage as archaeologists came to recognize Ur as the earliest and prototypical city (I dont even know whether Ur was ever perceived as such. BANTU. Vince, his wife Diana, and their daughters live and minister in St. Louis and they love to travel, watch movies and bust some spades. Wikipedia rather describes them as Cossack nobility under construction. Gender systems that are familiar from Indo-European and Semitic languages based on sex of an individual are but one of a number of such classifications: masculine and feminine; masculine, feminine, and neuter; common and neuter; animate and inanimate. Ryan asked about a good introduction that would explain terms like derivational suffixes so I thought about derivational suffixes and about those suffixes that are borrowed. Then he quotes from the very same article by Nichols as Claude Rilly (where he was calculating the degree of closeness between Meroitic and Nubian words for brother and sister). However, Nawdm is very aberrant lexically overall in the context of the whole Oti-Volta family, whereas Swadesh-style comparison puts Yom comfortably close to Buli/Konni and Western Oti-Volta. Its not a hen.. En la playa hubo muchos peces muertos There were many dead fish on the beach. Heres his magnum opus on Nilo-Saharan, Actually he has 3 volumes (5, 7 and 8 hundred pages respectively) named: : ., about Khoi-San, East Sudanic and NS respectively. Figure 1 is a schematic model of lumpers and splitters Bouba and Kiki! (In a good way ). Brick? Well, no, he is calculating (I did not check the arithmetic) the odds of a genetic relationship, just the odds of words for brother and sister to be so close (which is not the same). There are so many fundamental things wrong with this reasoning that one hardly knows where to begin. Wiktionary says bosque is borrowed from Catalan or Occitan bosc, from Late Latin boscus or Vulgar Latin *buscus, from Frankish *busk, from Proto-Germanic *buskaz, cognate with English bush.. Amsterdam/Philadelphia: John Benjamins. With the inspiration provided by the monoconsonantal Egyptian symbols, these people designed a fully phonetic and greatly simplified writing system which consists entirely of symbols for individual consonants. In which case there was nothing to be diluted. Neither of these, however, has gained any following. It would be so stupid if they never thought of that, that I think I must have missed something. They were actually quite lazy in only using presence/absence of cognate lexemes as data. [Note, incidentally, that the personal pronouns egregiously fail to correspond: less so even than with Dogon or Atlantic and Volta-Congo.]. [Modern Greek Dictionary] (comprehensive; includes etymologies) And the apparent southward expansion of the Sahara prior to the African humid period provides a potential explanation for the relative unity of Niger-Congo, if thats accurate with perhaps a lucky group at the Bight pushing north and west into territory that had been uninhabitable. Centre National de Ressources Textuelles et Lexicales Beyond that, it waffles on the subject of inflection in ancestral Sino-Tibetan. Those were the times lo these onescore years ago. This actually reminds me of the Welsh dig angry, for which GPC does not hazard an etymology. Both authors used the skin-color, mode of subsistence, and other characteristics of native speakers as part of their arguments that particular languages should be grouped. The y- could go back to *- (as it does in ygm camel) , which would correspond to Nawdm r-, but the actual Nawdm word for hedgehog is legiila. Some is paywalled, but for instance, Ive just searched for one of the titles, Genetic Diversity of the Sudanese, and found a free version. I get the impression that the Romans were not keen on navigating in the River Ocean if they could help it. I got that from his list of NES protoforms (irritatingly, there seem to be no page numbers on the paper.) This time all I saw was a cookie notice but I left the page as soon as I had the URL and didnt try to read the article again. Or maybe I thought about Omotic, It would probably give rise to all kind of unfortunate implications, to begin with, In Russian it is everything that fire adds to the air that is not smoke (but possibly including smoke). The proposal is that this resulted from a westward migration of pastoralist Cushitic speakers. In the Guinea zone thats because of sleeping sickness. So there you are. (from: jstor, sci-hub) If you had two completely isolating languages where most of the lexemes could be shown to match according to regular sound changes it would be reasonable to conclude that they were genetically related, so long as there were good reasons to exclude creolisation or massive borrowing as the explanation; even then, you would be entirely justified in saying that the relationship was not mere chance. In his System of Nature, A.D. 1776, Linnaeus declares, I hereby separate the whales from the fish. But of my own knowledge, I know that down to the year 1850, sharks and shad, alewives and herring, against Linnaeuss express edict, were still found dividing the possession of the same seas with the Leviathan.. I hadnt even realized Rilly ends a section with a stirring call the most urgent task for the progress of the Meroitic philology is not to resume the study of funerary texts or even to explore the most obscure passages of the royal texts, but to work a proper description of languages and dialects that are greatly endangered. And mentions that hes got Nyimang and the Higir dialect of Nara covered, but there are at least another 12 someone needs to claim. Lameen, Im genuinely curious about an unpublished piece Blench posted on his website Saharan and Songhay form a branch of Nilo-Saharan Roger Blench and Lameen Souag draft from the Afrikanistentag Koln in 2012. Is this different from any other kind of borrowing? I appreciate very much Blenchs readiness to call an isolate an isolate, if it hasnt been demonstrated to belong to something. Somehow I think its hard to do better than Carleton Hodge, IndoEuropeans in the Near East, Anthropological Linguistics 23 (1981) 227 244 : We are now in a position to address ourselves to the problem of the IE homeland. For example, the Egyptian hieroglyphic symbol resembling waves of water and used in the Egyptian system as a monoconsonantal symbol with the value /n/ was assigned the value /m/ in the Proto-Sinaitic script, as the word for water in the Semitic language of that script began with /m/. West Germanic has this berberoid quality to it*, I got nervous when reading internal subgrouping of the West Germanic subfamily. But I would again say that the diversity of something like N-S is what I would expect if a group that obtained some technological advantage 12 kya began expanding while merging with the linguistically diverse peoples it could assimilate. I dont assume uniformity arose in deep antiquity. dic.academic.ru (Russian dictionary search) That might reflect contamination from ygemde . It is 1763. Sanskrit+Greek will get you faster to PIE than French+Armenian, Demonstrating that French and Armenian were even cognate would be a bit of a challenge . In 2b, subjects did not substitute the future form of the verb with the present form (/v/, a -infiected form) as in 2a. Anyway, grammar is not quite the same as lexicon. But more important it represents a methodological error, the assumption that demonstrating contact phenomena or mapping typological traits constitutes an argument against genealogical affiliation. @LH, I just dont know. Theres a Wikipedia article about Joseph Wright in Gothic. .I will reexamine for Anatolian the issue of putative shared, non-trivial innovations with and borrowings from Italic, Celtic, and Germanic, following upon the excellent but almost totally ignored study of Jaan Puhvel 1994. Convincing people to arrive to a new picture of the world and start overlooking a different set possibilities would be more like Chomsky. The method that the adapters employed in turning the Egyptian script to their own use was dubbed the acrophonic principle by the British Egyptologist Sir Alan Gardiner. And so, when IEists say Proto-Indo-European, they variously mean Proto-Indo-Anatolian, Proto-Indo-Tocharian, Proto-Indo-Actually-European, the first two, the last two, all three, or their lack of conscious awareness that this is actually an issue. Yes, youre right. I do not know the Arabic alphabet and ask naive questions, so feel free to ignore them ????. Whatever the truth of that, tilting with Chabu and Kadu is his effort to take these issues head on, attacking the proposed isolates himself. . Changes in English took centuries. Hmm. Interestingly, Stewart is actually specifically denying the point made here: It is [. The evidence for East Sudanic is actually pretty weak, but that doesnt really affect Rillys argument, as he is only concerned with a subgroup of these languages which probably are demonstrably related to one another; specifically, he thinks Meroitic was a sister language of Proto-Nubian; the idea that it was related to Old Nubian has quite a long pedigree and it wouldnt be too surprising on first principles if it turned out to be true. 2100 pages by now, and I do not know if he is going to write about, say, Oti-Volta:), I do not know if he is going to write about, say, Oti-Volta, Hes most welcome to do so, though I suspect hed find it a bit dull, given that the languages are all unequivocally and uncontroversially related. In Semitic languages (e.g. *) and I started from Greek but didnt/havent advanced far. Same root of course (also tug which makes my Old Norse loan senses tingle), just not the same ablaut or Verner grade. The work stands of falls by its own accuracy, and is valuable in proportion to how much actual light it contributes to understanding the relationships between the real languages compared, and indeed on the individual languages themselves. The continual renovation of words for fish is really interesting! After the editing window closed, it did occur to me that, just as nouns are more borrowable than verbs, it might well be the case that if vocabulary remains from a substratum, verbs might be more liable to survive than nouns. However. *, (Though Mande is by no means the only group in contention when it comes to the limits of the Niger-Congo phylum, of course, and is probably the least likely to ever turn out to be demonstrably related to Volta-Congo of all Greenbergs major candidates.). Certainly on libgen), and there: I would be surprised to hear a little aquarium fish called pescado, but maybe some speakers would do so. The main thing that seems to come out of that is that Eastern Oti-Volta is not at all parallel to Western Oti-Volta, but really on the same sort of level as the grouping you could make by putting WOV, Yom/Nawdm and Buli/Konni together as one branch, and that actually does seem to match pretty well with morphological and phonological evidence for subclassification too. And he has a real researchers gift of coming up with new interesting questions to look into. (a self-pirated version is somewhere on the Internet. the idea of the expansion of a pastoral or hunter-gatherer language group across vast agricultural lands at a time when the advantage of the horse was unknown would be surprising to me. ), Some excellent comparativists have what I (in my wisdom) think are weird and unsubstantiated ideas about the highest-level groupings, but its often a case of So what if they do? 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